#109718: "Cheating? Player not entering any question and directly testing the right code"
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In arena game #458628987 my opponent didn't enter any question at all and directly tested the right code and the log showed for him/her that "You found the code in 1 round(s) and 0 question(s)."
I thought there might be a display error, showing my questions but not his/her, but even replaying the game as him/her showed he/she just entered the right code, waited a bit, then passed to answer "Yes" to testing a code and entered the right code again.
I believe he/she might be cheating somehow (having a collection of problems with results, checking the Turing Machine website etc). He/she currently has a rank of 434.....
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• Veuillez expliquer ce que vous vouliez faire, ce que vous avez fait et ce qu'il s'est passé
The whole game.
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Google Chrome v120
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In arena game #458628987 my opponent didn't enter any question at all and directly tested the right code and the log showed for him/her that "You found the code in 1 round(s) and 0 question(s)."
I thought there might be a display error, showing my questions but not his/her, but even replaying the game as him/her showed he/she just entered the right code, waited a bit, then passed to answer "Yes" to testing a code and entered the right code again.
I believe he/she might be cheating somehow (having a collection of problems with results, checking the Turing Machine website etc). He/she currently has a rank of 434.....
• Quel est votre navigateur ?
Google Chrome v120
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• Merci d'expliquer votre suggestion de manière précise et concise, de façon à ce qu'il soit aussi simple que possible de comprendre ce que vous voulez dire.
In arena game #458628987 my opponent didn't enter any question at all and directly tested the right code and the log showed for him/her that "You found the code in 1 round(s) and 0 question(s)."
I thought there might be a display error, showing my questions but not his/her, but even replaying the game as him/her showed he/she just entered the right code, waited a bit, then passed to answer "Yes" to testing a code and entered the right code again.
I believe he/she might be cheating somehow (having a collection of problems with results, checking the Turing Machine website etc). He/she currently has a rank of 434.....
• Quel est votre navigateur ?
Google Chrome v120
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• Qu'affichait l'écran lorsque vous avez été bloqué(e) (Un écran vierge ? Une partie de l'interface du jeu ? Un message d'erreur ?)
In arena game #458628987 my opponent didn't enter any question at all and directly tested the right code and the log showed for him/her that "You found the code in 1 round(s) and 0 question(s)."
I thought there might be a display error, showing my questions but not his/her, but even replaying the game as him/her showed he/she just entered the right code, waited a bit, then passed to answer "Yes" to testing a code and entered the right code again.
I believe he/she might be cheating somehow (having a collection of problems with results, checking the Turing Machine website etc). He/she currently has a rank of 434.....
• Quel est votre navigateur ?
Google Chrome v120
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• Quelle partie des règles n'a pas été respectée par l'adaptation BGA ?
In arena game #458628987 my opponent didn't enter any question at all and directly tested the right code and the log showed for him/her that "You found the code in 1 round(s) and 0 question(s)."
I thought there might be a display error, showing my questions but not his/her, but even replaying the game as him/her showed he/she just entered the right code, waited a bit, then passed to answer "Yes" to testing a code and entered the right code again.
I believe he/she might be cheating somehow (having a collection of problems with results, checking the Turing Machine website etc). He/she currently has a rank of 434.....
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• La violation de règle est-elle visible dans le replay de la partie ? Si oui, à quel numéro de coup ?
The whole game.
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Google Chrome v120
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• Quelle action de jeu vouliez-vous faire ?
In arena game #458628987 my opponent didn't enter any question at all and directly tested the right code and the log showed for him/her that "You found the code in 1 round(s) and 0 question(s)."
I thought there might be a display error, showing my questions but not his/her, but even replaying the game as him/her showed he/she just entered the right code, waited a bit, then passed to answer "Yes" to testing a code and entered the right code again.
I believe he/she might be cheating somehow (having a collection of problems with results, checking the Turing Machine website etc). He/she currently has a rank of 434.....
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• Qu'avez-vous essayé de faire pour déclencher cette action de jeu ?
The whole game.
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• Que s'est-il passé lorsque vous avez essayé de faire cela (message d'erreur, message dans la barre d'état du jeu...) ?
• Quel est votre navigateur ?
Google Chrome v120
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• À quelle étape de la partie le problème est-il apparu ? Quelles instructions le jeu affichait-il ?
In arena game #458628987 my opponent didn't enter any question at all and directly tested the right code and the log showed for him/her that "You found the code in 1 round(s) and 0 question(s)."
I thought there might be a display error, showing my questions but not his/her, but even replaying the game as him/her showed he/she just entered the right code, waited a bit, then passed to answer "Yes" to testing a code and entered the right code again.
I believe he/she might be cheating somehow (having a collection of problems with results, checking the Turing Machine website etc). He/she currently has a rank of 434.....
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• Que s'est-il passé lorsque vous avez essayé de faire cette action de jeu (message d'erreur, message dans la barre d'état du jeu...) ?
The whole game.
• Quel est votre navigateur ?
Google Chrome v120
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• Veuillez décrire le problème d'affichage. Si vous disposez d'une impression écran du bug (bonne pratique), vous pouvez utiliser le service d'hébergement de votre choix (snipboard.io par exemple) pour la télécharger et en copier/coller le lien ici.
In arena game #458628987 my opponent didn't enter any question at all and directly tested the right code and the log showed for him/her that "You found the code in 1 round(s) and 0 question(s)."
I thought there might be a display error, showing my questions but not his/her, but even replaying the game as him/her showed he/she just entered the right code, waited a bit, then passed to answer "Yes" to testing a code and entered the right code again.
I believe he/she might be cheating somehow (having a collection of problems with results, checking the Turing Machine website etc). He/she currently has a rank of 434.....
• Quel est votre navigateur ?
Google Chrome v120
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• SVP copiez / collez ici le texte affiché en anglais au lieu de votre langue. Si vous disposez d'une impression écran du bug (bonne pratique), vous pouvez utiliser le service d'hébergement de votre choix (snipboard.io par exemple) pour la télécharger et en copier/coller le lien ici. Ce texte est-il disponible dans le système de traduction ? Si oui, a-t-il été traduit depuis plus de 24 heures ?
In arena game #458628987 my opponent didn't enter any question at all and directly tested the right code and the log showed for him/her that "You found the code in 1 round(s) and 0 question(s)."
I thought there might be a display error, showing my questions but not his/her, but even replaying the game as him/her showed he/she just entered the right code, waited a bit, then passed to answer "Yes" to testing a code and entered the right code again.
I believe he/she might be cheating somehow (having a collection of problems with results, checking the Turing Machine website etc). He/she currently has a rank of 434.....
• Quel est votre navigateur ?
Google Chrome v120
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• Merci d'expliquer votre suggestion de manière précise et concise, de façon à ce qu'il soit aussi simple que possible de comprendre ce que vous voulez dire.
In arena game #458628987 my opponent didn't enter any question at all and directly tested the right code and the log showed for him/her that "You found the code in 1 round(s) and 0 question(s)."
I thought there might be a display error, showing my questions but not his/her, but even replaying the game as him/her showed he/she just entered the right code, waited a bit, then passed to answer "Yes" to testing a code and entered the right code again.
I believe he/she might be cheating somehow (having a collection of problems with results, checking the Turing Machine website etc). He/she currently has a rank of 434.....
• Quel est votre navigateur ?
Google Chrome v120
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in the my game, the person also did not select a single verifier by entering the code correctly
1. Those problems are absolutely solvable without needing any tests, just using pure deduction. They're actually relatively straightforward, I've solved them in that way myself. No cheating is required, given enough time.
2. There are very few puzzles with the settings Classic/Standard/6 verifiers, and they are all variants of the same basic puzzle. Once you have solved one, it's very easy to see at a glance what the answer will be to any of them.
It's not cheating, but it's definitely a bad idea to allow players to choose their own settings for Arena Mode, as is currently the case. There need to be fixed settings for the season so that people can not choose to use settings with such a limited range of puzzles.
I started responding to "bug" reports as there were so many that weren't actually bugs, just people misunderstanding, and I can't seem to stop myself checking them 😁
These look-tables can be prepared beforehand by anybody, given enough time and commitment, or by other automatic means, involving no thought process whatsoever. While the former can be perhaps acceptable to some (not to me personally), the latter is probably a no no to everyone.
Anyway, having look-up tables to consult means one can solve a problem with very few questions (1-2 or, in some cases, even 0). Imho, this makes this great game one to be avoided for online games, unless you really trust your opponents to play fair (i.e. reason it all out on the spot) and play casual or select at least standard, if not even hard, mode, and hope for the best, if you really need to play arena.
In 3min, you can do most of the potential deductions.
459792785
459806611
459790596
I don't know how game is working, I think that there are some limitations and not any verifiers combination is possible, but I've wrote simple prog in Python (onlinegdb.com/KmAQYPjm7) to check table in topic (458628987) and it looks like there are 34 different combinations of verifiers where are only single answer is correct. For example if verifers are 3,1,1,1,1,1 (A verifies variant 3, i.e. square>3 and others verifies first variant), then there is also single answer - 245.
So without knowing how real game is working there is no way logically find out answer only using logic.
It is clear you do *not* know how the game works!
You are likely missing the 2 most important rules:
1) No verifier can be redundant
2) There must be a unique solution.
Let's give a simple example: if the Verifiers for "Yellow compared to Purple" and "Which colour is smallest" are both in a puzzle, you know right away, without any tests, that Blue is smallest. This is because any other result would make the other verifier redundant (i.e. it would provide no new information), which is not allowed in a valid puzzle.
Using the 2 listed rules, it is usually possible to solve a Classic puzzle in under 3 tests, and frequently they can be solved in 0 tests.
It may be a matter of BGA only using a limited number of game sets, but this is definitely against the spirit and written rules of the game.
Now if they can reliable do the same in hard/realtime games you might have a point.
Now if they can reliable do the same in hard/realtime games you might have a point.
Thanks! To be honest I am new to the game and think I was missing a level of nuance here.
The rules say "You will need the criteria of all verifiers to find the code. No criterion is superfluous", which to me suggested that at an absolute minimum any number of questions that's fewer than the number of verifiers is suspect. That being said, the fine folk at boardgamegeek have certainly identified a number of game states that can be solved with 0 questions ( boardgamegeek.com/thread/3166002/no-question-challenges-5-cards-classic-easy-mode-o ) so I'm happy to concede that a 0 question solution isn't a guarantee of cheating.
I still have uncomfortable feelings about 0 question solutions on BGA as it's certainly possible that there's a limited set of easy puzzles that people are able to look up for quick wins and the losers wouldn't be able to tell, but if BGA is using a large catalogue then I guess it's just time to sharpen my pencil!
github.com/ThomasdenH/turing-machine-ai
J ai testé le bon code du 1er coup par hasard.
Mais il y avait 6 cartes de tests, donc impossible de conclure.
Le joueur en face a fait 2 tests et validé LA BONNE RÉPONSE.
Je pense que dans les lignes de code, il apparaît le numéro qu il y a dans le jeu.
La personne en face me semble avoir triché et utilisé le livret de réponses inclus dans le jeu.
However unless I'm mistaken, the specific test your opponent gave to E didn't actually give the required information. I was left with 354 or 435 at that point, and their specific test would not help to narrow that down (but a different test code would).
So in conclusion, getting the correct answer in 2 tests is completely possible, purely by deduction. However unless I'm mistaken, your opponent's specific tests would actually have left 2 possible answers, so they only had a 50/50 chance of getting the correct answer.
My solution wasn't a guarantee (actually I tried solving it again just now and got it wrong), but at the time it felt like the most likely solution, and it ended up being correct. Here was my logic:
-Verifier C gives the only piece of information for purple, so purple should be the smallest
-Verifier D is questioning how many even numbers there are. Usually, but not always, in this case there are 2 even numbers.
-There's not a lot of info about what blue and yellow are. I doubt that they're the same number, though, because unless they're both 4, there's not enough info to tell what they are. And if they are both 4, then there's not enough info to tell what purple is (unless Verifier D says that all 3 are even numbers, which I doubt). If yellow is 5, then blue must be lower and could be 2-4. If yellow is 2 or 3, there's the same issue with multiple possibilities for blue. If yellow is 4, blue could be 2 or 3, or 5. 5 is the only one that is sequestered off, so I believe Verifier B will say that blue is greater than yellow, and Verifier A will say yellow is 4.
-Since purple is the smallest, it must be the only even number remaining: 2.
The only thing I was positive about was that purple had to be the smallest. The rest could have easily been wrong.
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